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written by: carvingCode

I gave you advice earlier on 1.4.12, Look back a few posts.

written by: neil

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:46:31 +0000 GMT

Hi Roger, Just a quickie - are you blowing into the mouthpeice to get the clarinet sound? it doesn't work unless you blow. You can also do this with the 'cello.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:52:59 +0000 GMT

Yes, Im blowing into the mouthpiece with clarinet but not with cello. How do I increase the volume of the instrument? Could that be why Inhear nothing?


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:17:05 +0000 GMT

I will be adding some more terms to the GLOSSARY from Stage, which has lots of strange knobs, and Im not sure what nearly all ofnthem do.


written by: john

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:21:27 +0000 GMT

No, it's exactly the same. The only differences you should find between windows and MacOS lie in the audio and MIDI interfaces and the look of a few of the windows.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:21:58 +0000 GMT

The video tutorial 1 seems to be where one is instructed on how to get cello and clarinet working, and infers that the procedure is the same as for getting piano, synth and bass guitar. But this is clearly not the case. Although Nick demonstrates the sound of cello and clarinet in this video , we do not actually see him press the buttons to obtain the instruments. Is the Windows 7 procedure different from the Apple Mac procedure here?


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:29:18 +0000 GMT

Add to GLOSSARY:
Convolver
Portamento Time
Pitch Bend
Keygroup scale over rule
Key pitch bend range
AU/VST
Bow velocity factor
Convolver Mix
Convolver enable time


written by: john

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:23:51 +0000 GMT

Hi Roger

Most of those terms are well explained in the reference section of our documentation:

http://www.eigenlabs.com/wiki/2.0/The_EigenD_Reference/

I don't think it's appropriate to have that information in two places, it's a recipe for future inconsistency. We do have text search in the documention, and in most of those cases that also pops up the relevant page as the first term, as one would expect (I just checked a number of them to be sure).

There is also in-application help for all these. Just select the 'help tool' (the '?' on the toolbar) and click on the relevant control in Stage. You will get a help window with a short description of the control and what it does. This is taken direct from the reference manual on the web and in most cases tells you pretty much exactly what it does. Should you find those explanations unclear, please let us know.

John


written by: carvingCode

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:45:59 +0000 GMT

Roger - To select an instrument to play on the Pico, you only need to press the Main Mode key, hold it down, then tap the key for the instrument you want to play. All instruments are in fact selected the same way. If you're pressing other leys to select the clarinet or cello, you're doing it wrong.

To change volume open Stage. (This is presuming you have previously opened Factory setup for Pico). Make sure the Main tab is selected. Master Volume should read 100. Then select the Mixer tab. Review the settings for the instrument you are playing.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:10:57 +0000 GMT

[Hi. Yes The procedure you provide is exactly what I have been doing. Neither the cello nor clarinet give out any sound after following that procedure to the letter. Main Stage is as you say on 100 on opening and the mixer sliders work fine for the other four settings (synth, bass guitar, piano, and alchemy). What is the MTBF for this instrument? It has hardly been used.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:23:06 +0000 GMT

I should add that this is after loading Factory Pico 1. If I load Pico 2 then none of the instruments work except the drums. Shall I drive down to Devon with the Pico (about 2.5 hours each way) to see what is going wrong?
Best, Roger.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:27:25 +0000 GMT

neil said:
Hi Roger, Just a quickie - are you blowing into the mouthpeice to get the clarinet sound? it doesn't work unless you blow. You can also do this with the 'cello.


Yes, I tried blowing and playing the keys at the same time for both instruments. No joy.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:31:05 +0000 GMT

I should also add that I downloaded the 1.4.12 software. I dont know whether it neededs further installing, though. Clicking on "About eigenD" under "File" still says I have version 1.4.11. And the EigenD still says "Update available". Should I be doing something more?


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:39:59 +0000 GMT

GoneCaving said:
Most if not all of those concepts are already documented in the wiki.

Cello: Press and hold the mode key, and then the 6th key on the left (as you look down the instrument with the breath pipe near you), then release the mode key. Play by holding a key and simultaneously "bowing" using the breath pipe or strip controller. (While I doubt this is the problem, there is a volume key for each instrument in the instrument controls. In the case of the cello, accessed by: hold mode key and press 4th on the right, and release. Then hold the secondary mode key (1st right) and press the key corresponding to the instrument (6th on the left in the case of the cello), and release. The second key on the left then allows you to change the volume). Alternatively, bring up the Stage application, and contrl the volume from there!

EigenD & Agents: See Intro to EigenD

EigenCommander: The tool used to control the instrument settings via Belcanto. See The Belcanto Intro.

Sampler 1/2/3, audio unit 1/2: These are the agents for the sampler (soundfont) and AU instruments. The number refers to the instance, so 3 samplers, and 2 audio units.




Finally, GoneCaving partly solved my cello problem! No one told me you have to use the slider to get a note! I thought that simply pressing the buttons would be enough. But how does one get a pizzicato effect, since being a jazzhead, most of the time a double bass would be plucking, not bowing. OK I know you dont see many cellos in jazz, but pizzicato is still used for all stringed instruments.


written by: cogreslab

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:15:41 +0000 GMT

Ah! Another little undocumented discovery: - the instrument volume control works the opposite way round to that expected. I found this out by watching the main stage while pushing the button second down on the right. Most people would expect that toggling the upper side of the button would increase the volume, but actually you have to toggle the lower side to increase the volume. Is this mentioned anywhere in the wiki?


written by: geert

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:05:27 +0000 GMT

cogreslab said:
I should add that this is after loading Factory Pico 1. If I load Pico 2 then none of the instruments work except the drums. Shall I drive down to Devon with the Pico (about 2.5 hours each way) to see what is going wrong?
Best, Roger.


Hi Cogreslab,

Pico factory setup 2 has no instruments preloaded at all, the 8 Pico instruments are set up to have 4 VST plugins and 4 MIDI outputs. You have to select the VST plugin in one of the slots before being able to hear a sound, the MIDI outputs only work with external MIDI instruments, either virtual or physical.

Best regards,

Geert


written by: geert

Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:16:52 +0000 GMT

cogreslab said:
I should also add that I downloaded the 1.4.12 software. I dont know whether it neededs further installing, though. Clicking on "About eigenD" under "File" still says I have version 1.4.11. And the EigenD still says "Update available". Should I be doing something more?


You need to double-click and launch the file you downloaded to install the update. Once you've done that, you should see EigenD 1.4.12 in your start menu, as well as the previous 1.4.11. It could be that this is not in the top-level of the start menu, but a bit further down in the hierarchy of the start menu folders.

Best regards,

Geert


written by: cogreslab

Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:58:15 +0000 GMT

Nope, Geert. I went to my Downloads folder where the 1.4.12 was stored as setup.exe and clicked on the file, as instructed. . It tells me its installed but the About EigenD still says i only have 1.4.11.


written by: cogreslab

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:01:11 +0000 GMT

I managed to get cello to play notes by blowing hard doen the mouthpiece but with difficulty. I thought maybe some of the cello controls in Stage might need adjustment, thugh as already indicated, i dont know what names like convolver mean. I played around with these, but the only resut is now nothing plays at all. I will try a reinstall, but it's all very frustrating without clear and simple instructions what to do. Customers shouldnt have to thrash about like this trying to understand the system.


written by: carvingCode

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:17:29 +0000 GMT

cogreslab said:
Nope, Geert. I went to my Downloads folder where the 1.4.12 was stored as setup.exe and clicked on the file, as instructed. . It tells me its installed but the About EigenD still says i only have 1.4.11.


Sounds like you are not opening the current version.

Have you checked the Start->All Programs->Eigenlabs menu? You should have a folder in it for every version of EigenD installed. If you don't, 1) you didn't install the software correctly, 2) you've got PC problems.


written by: geert

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:43:09 +0000 GMT

@cogreslab, you don't need to reinstall when you get yourself in a tight spot. Just as with any other application on your computer, as long as you haven't saved what you're working on, you can just quit the application and load the setup again.



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