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I've read the Wiki on this topic, but I'm still not there. I'd like to be able to use breath (blow) to control either volume or the mod wheel function. I check the appropriate boxes in the parameter screen (dragging right to increase the value), but in spite of that, nothing really happens with the instrument. I'm using the Gofriller cello (naturally) with Kontakt 4. 1.1.24 has the cello singing, and I'm trying to get all of the innate flexibility out of the instrument that I can.

While on the subject of control, I would also like to be able to use my sustain pedal to trigger a sustain effect. It's an M-audio pedal that I use to sustain on my keyboard, and it's plugged into "Pedal 1, To Input (sustain)" on the base station. Again, it doesn't seem to do anything within the instrument. I have set the range of the pedal within the advanced functions noted in the manual (and as a result of a previous tip), again to no effect.

Any help is appreciated!

Regards,
Pat

So the CCs blocks are there as placeholders for a future build? That explains it! Forgive me for taking a step farther back... what's an AU automation parameter?

I may bravely go forth and attempt the unstable branch, but that hasn't been a happy trail for me in the past!

I'll give the pedal a try with the piano sampler... hook it in to Pedal 1 sustain, calibrate it through the advanced controls and it should work like a champ with 1.1.24, right?

Thanks,
Pat

Geert,

When I open Kontakt 4 via AU 3 the word "Configure" appears in white on a black background just above the Kontakt 4 screen. Clicking on this brings up a matrix with inputs on top (blow, suck, key yaw, etc) and numbers on the L. I'm assuming the numbers are CC numbers... is that not correct?

Thanks,
Pat

Omnisphere is slightly different - because there are so many controls on different layers, you have to ask omnisphere to expose the control to the host. To do this, right click on the control (dial, fader, etc) in the Omnisphere GUI, and select 'Enable Host Automation'. Then when you go into the Configure window, there will be an extra row, about 8 down from the top with a reasonably sensible name. This way you can just make rows in the table for the parameters you need and not worry about huge lists of numbers.

Kontakt is pretty complex, so it might have a system a bit like this too, try the context menus on the GUI controls inside Kontakt and see what comes up?

Hi Pat,

Those are not CC numbers, they are plugin automation parameter numbers. Most plugins automatically fill those in with names, not Kontakt. In Kontakt you can use the automation parameters to control any GUI control in your instruments.

In the left panel of the Kontakt GUI, where you browse for files or instruments, there's an 'Auto' tab. In that tab you have 'host automation' and 'midi automation' sub-tabs. The numbers you see in the 1.1.24 matrix are tied to host automation. You can click and drag any number in the 'host automation' list onto a control of any Kontakt instrument. The name will then be updated in the EigenD plugin matrix. Note that host automation can only be used when Kontakt runs as a plugin, not when it's running standalone. When you assign any of the mappings in the EigenD matrix, even when you didn't drag any of the numbers in Kontakt on a control, you'll see a red flashing icon to the left of the host automation parameter number in the tab in Kontakt.

A very nice feature of host automation is that it's much higher resolution than MIDI CC. You can use them to fully benefit from the high resolution of your Eigenharp.

Hope this helps,

Geert

Geert,

Thanks for your post. Unfortunately, I didn't understand a word of it. I can open up the "host automation" panel in Kontakt 4, but from there you've lost me. I can't see how to click and drag a number in the host automation list (all of which read "not assigned") onto a "control" of a Kontakt instrument (don't even know what you're referring to when you reference a control of a Kontakt instrument).

This is a bit frustrating. I'm gong to pick up my good old analog euphonium and forget about Eigenharps for a day or two.

Regards,
Pat

Hi Pat,

I'm sorry I'm not able to explain this in such a way that it makes sense to you.

Let me try again. Each instrument in Kontakt has a number of control knobs that you can change in the Kontakt GUI, for instance volume and pan (which are standard controls). There are also instrument-specific controls that could include the attack and release control, filters, ... anything really that the Kontakt instrument creators allowed you to modify. These controls can be tied to the parameter numbers in the Host Automation tab.

As soon as that is done, they appear in the left column of the EigenD instrument matrix where you can map them to controls on your Eigenharp. Below is a link to a screenshot where I opened the standard solo cello instrument that ships with Kontakt 4 and tie the host parameter 10 to the Sound control of the Cello GUI. I simply clicked on '#010" in the Host Automation tab and dragged it over the knob for the cello Sound. When the knob can be automated, you'll see the cursor with a green plus sign.

http://wiki.eigenzone.org/w/images/1/10/Kontakt_automation_parameters.png

I hope this is clearer.

Geert
Eigenlabs Software Team

John,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, particularly since it's my own bad news, but I hooked up the Boss as directed: "to input" to input and "to output" to output. I then mapped volume (CC #7) to pedal one after calibrating it (selecting the pedal calibration advanced function, pressing the top most lateral button on the Eigenharp with the pedal in the "min" position then pushing the bottom most lateral button with the pedal in the "max" position). Again, nothing.... no effect on the volume of the sound produced by the AU instrument. Interestingly I WAS able to map volume (CC #7) to blow. As long as the number in the box was quite low I had very nice control. The problem is that it required a constant stream of air to play at volume... stop blowing and volume would drop to zero. Great in concept, but not so great in execution, since I don't want to be air limited. At least it showed that I could map a CC to an Eigenharp control. The next step is being able to do it with the volume pedal that you folks recommended as being one that works with the Eigenharp.

Any ideas? What could I be doing wrong?

Thanks,
Pat

Hi Pat,

I suggest you try out using the AU automation parameters to control volume through your breath controller. You can set the volume sliders in Kontakt to a base position, which will be considered as being the origin. When you use the controller, it will make changes relevant to that base position and when you let go, snap back to it.

Take care,

Geert

Many thanks, Dave, Geert, Aaron and John...

Thanks to Geert's assistance I was able to get volume linked to a host parameter, rather than a midi CC (your Wiki post was perfect!). Thanks to Dave I was able to get the pedal hooked up properly, calibrated and working. And thanks to Aaron and John, I got linked up with Dave.

Talk about customer service! Two international calls from Dave as he talked me through the various hook up/parameter setting concerns really was above and beyond the call of duty.

Gents, you are the best.

OK... off to practice!

Pat