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written by: EdisonRex

There's really not much more that Geert and Mike haven't said. I just got back from a festival I played, on Alpha and an EWI, nothing more (except the laptop), Setup is quick and if you have a stable configuration it is not likely to crash in performance. A Tau would be similar, I'd imagine.

But I thought I'd mention that this is kind of normal, you get a setup that works before you take it out. I don't play out with unstable software.

-Paul (another one)

written by: Vacoloco

Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:15:32 +0100 BST

So, I'm *really* interested in the Eigenharp Alpha, but I have a few questions I can't seem to find answers for in the videos (I can't seem to find the user guide to read either).

I want to use the Eigenharp Live, this means I need to be able to set up in under 10 minutes, I also need to be able to pack up in under ten minutes (often we play gigs with other people and the change over time is rarely more than 10 or 15 minutes).

Does anyone use the eigenharp live?

because I use it live I need to know that it will be 100% stable (I'm planing on buying a Mac MINI with SSD and a KVM tray to rackmount it). Does anyone have any problems with Stability?

I have a couple of older MIDI synths, which I now believe the eigenharp software will support MIDI, is this true? and if so, is there any latency?

I've toyed with the idea of sampling my external synths (the D50 in particular) so that I can keep my live rig to a minimum, is it easy to sample and playback samples with the software provided?

Sound wise, I use mainly piano, choirs and strings (we're a goth rock band) I've not been able to find good example demos of these (I've found a couple of piano ones on Youtube, but no choir or string ones).

I notice the eigenharp has splits, which is great because some of the parts I pay a split keyboard or even two different keyboards. Are the splits definable or fixed?
Also can the two, or three splits be sent to different MIDI channels (i know they can be sent to different internal sounds) ?

Also, is it possible to have a "one key" press to switch from non split to split and also load the relevant sounds? a bit like a "performance" on a synth, where I can play a piano sound, hit the "performance" button, press "001" and I've got my split keyboard set up with the sounds straight away?

Sorry for the potentially daft questions, but I've had a dig and I can't seem to find answers for these anywhere online.

Many thanks
Paul


written by: geert

Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:47:42 +0100 BST

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your interest in the Eigenharp, I'm sure other people will chime in but I'm already going to respond to some of your technical questions.

I've been using the Eigenharp live in a variety of settings, so have other people here, you can find some videos even online. Setting up just the Eigenharp is actually pretty simple since you save everything beforehand in a setup file that is loaded by the EigenD software. This can be launched at computer startup, so you can really just start the computer, plug in the Eigenharp and not have to do anything else besides connecting your audio interface to a powered amp, front of house mixer, ...

The EigenD software has been very stable for me for quite a long time now (but I'm part of the team that develops it, so I might be biased ;-)). I am using it regularly live though and even have started using EigenD for playing guitar live with software effects, replacing other more known software like MainStage and Bidule. When there are crashes, they mostly occur when loading some AU/VST plugins, but that's something you see beforehand at practice and you'll know which plugins are not stable. Sadly there's not a lot we can do about that since the stability and bugs of those plugins are out of our hands. We have spent many months making sure that we're as compatible as possible and continue to do so.

The Eigenharp supports MIDI out and in very well and you can totally customise which MIDI messages correspond to which expression on the Eigenharp. I'm using it with my iPad and with my Moog Slim Phatty all the time. The latency is very good, but there is obviously some. It's far lower than what I can notice though. It mostly depends on the quality of your MIDI interface and how it handles jitter. I've been using MOTU MIDI interfaces and they work really well, I found the M-Audio Midisport interfaces had some timing problems though.

You can sample external synths and create dedicated Soundfont 2 files that can be played directly with the Eigenharp without using any AU/VST plugins. EigenD (the Eigenharp software) has a SF2 sample player that supports per-note expression, meaning that you can really get a lot of emotion out of even simple soundfonts. Sampling your synths can be done semi-automatically with a tool called AutoSampler by Redmatica. It sadly has been bought by Apple a few months ago so you can't buy their software directly anymore, maybe you can still find a copy in some stores.

Since you can use any AU/VST plugin, you can really use any sound that exists. If you don't want to create your own SF2 files for every instrument, there's a large variety of plugins that have great strings and choirs. Again, you can totally customise how the Eigenharp's expression interacts with the AU/VST plugins, so that's what many people do to use new sounds.

You can totally redefine how the Eigenharp behaves with our tool called Workbench. It allows you to create any split you want, to tie them to other splits, to activate instruments at the same time, change tempo, scale, tonic, ... etc etc. Most of want you want is possible with the factory setups. Yes you can send different splits to different MIDI channels, but that will require a bit of rewiring in Workbench, we can help you with that.

You can save splits with one or several instruments active, as soon as you activate the split, it'll activate those instruments. You can also create something that we call 'talkers' to speak to everything in your Eigenharp setup and make them switch to different settings. This can be tied to keys on your Eigenharp, to a MIDI footpedal, ... basically anything that provides a trigger.

Hope this helps, don't hesitate if you have any other questions.


Geert
Eigenlabs Software Team


written by: mikemilton

Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:22:22 +0100 BST

Paul...

Geert covered most of your questions (I think?) The instrument is really completely configurable and workbench is a worthwhile option if you think you want to do much of this.

I have a book in the apple bookstore that walks through the eigenharp alpha using workbench (you need the IOS ebooks reader).

We have regular hangouts on g+ that would let you interact directly but I'd be pleased to answer anything you like.

I have an Alpha and lots of legacy gear. It all works together although synths with only MIDI DIN jacks can be overwhelmed (resolved by adjustments in EigenD).


written by: Vacoloco

Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:16:26 +0100 BST

Many thanks for your answers, it's a great help.
Sadly I don't think I can afford an Alpha, so I'm tempted to rent a Tau and try it, assuming everything is ok, I'd buy that.

Time to have a think and do a little more digging for videos and books.

Thanks again!
Paul


written by: stuwyatt

Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:54:09 +0100 BST

I'm a Tau owner (and very happy with it), but if there was any way that I could have afforded the Alpha, I would have got one of those in a heartbeat. The Tau's keys are laid out flatly on the front of the Tau, whereas the Alpha's keys are arranged in a kind of curve. I've heard from a few people who have tried both instruments, and they said that the Alpha has a much more natural feel.

Another thing to consider is that the Alpha's ribbon controllers are built into the side, whereas the Tau's is positioned on the rear of the instrument. This can be challenging, as it is so easy to accidentally touch the ribbon controller with your thumb when playing the main keyboard (when playing with it upright, I deactivate the ribbon controller for this very reason).

[edit] I am planning on getting a custom-made backplate for the Tau, which will give a curved raised surface to the back of the unit, and have a smooth indent where the ribbon controller is. I'll try and get my ideas on paper and I'll share the idea with the group (and no doubt ask John for his opinion)


written by: EdisonRex

Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:34:12 +0100 BST

There's really not much more that Geert and Mike haven't said. I just got back from a festival I played, on Alpha and an EWI, nothing more (except the laptop), Setup is quick and if you have a stable configuration it is not likely to crash in performance. A Tau would be similar, I'd imagine.

But I thought I'd mention that this is kind of normal, you get a setup that works before you take it out. I don't play out with unstable software.

-Paul (another one)



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