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Hi all,

I've got some questions about Belcanto.

kgroup

The following worked in 1.4, but in EigenD 2.048-experimental it doesnt:

   empty join

   kgroup 1 listen

Any ideas? (The question came from this thread.)

Fingerer

The second question is to do with the
http://www.eigenlabs.com/wiki/2.0/Fingerer/, which has this example:

   fingerer 1 hey

   fingering to tin whistle set

However the fingerer first needs to be created - Could somebody post a complete example that puts a pico into tin whistle fingering. (Originally in this thread.)

2.0 Illuminator
(Edit: Sorry, I'd said midi Illuminator here, I meant the 2.0 Illuminator Agent, see posts below.)
Finally, there was also this question, about a complete belcanto example for how to start the midi illuminator.

I'd really appreciate some hints!

Many thanks!
Bjoern

Hi Geert,

I'd also tried addressing "keygroup 1", but that's not working either. Surely there is a keygroup 1 in the Factory setup? Or is it called something else?

I do appreciate the comments about workbench. I don't have workbench at the moment. I am considering it though. I would really like to be able to try out some of the 2.0 feature first, before making that decision.

With the illuminator, I got confused. I meant the Illuminator agent in 2.0, and was looking for a belcanto example that starts the Illuminator agent, so that e.g.

curl http://localhost:1024/row/1/column/5 -X PUT --data green

can work.

Many thanks!

(in response to carvingCode): Especially as I guess it's not possible to "ask questions" of the setup in Belcanto, i.e. "list all agents", "list all connections", "what are the names of all keygroups", ...? (Or is this possible?)

It would would be really nice if somebody could share e.g. a setup with an illuminator, and perhaps a setup with a fingerer, so that this could be tried out (without first buying workbench :-)

Bjoern

Hi Randy

Agents can be arbitrarily renamed but that's not to say it's a good idea as a matter of course. The freedom to do so is a useful feature but you're not forced to use it, it's just there if you want it. There will mostly be a sane if rather dull and uninformative default name chosen for you when you create a new Agent - the name of the agent plus a number.

We mostly try to keep names consistent in the Factory setups, but Geert is quite right, there's no reason why you or anyone else might not name things differently. There are actually good reasons for this freedom. You might for example want to name a sampler oscillator 'piano oscillator' if that's what you use it for all the time. Or a rig might be named differently to indicate what it does in some way. It's not really our place to stop you doing that, it's up to you if you want that. It has always been possible to do this incidentally, it's not a new feature and scripts have always been setup specific to varying degrees.

Once we have finalised the main Factory setups then we won't be changing them very much and all these names should remain consistent unless you choose to rename them yourself. You can then choose to be as consistent as you wish.

John

@Bjoern which model of eigenharp do you play? I'd be happy to publish a setup or two (based on the factory setups) that have an illuminator and/or a fingerer in them. I don't own a Tau so can't really help unless it's on Alpha or Pico though.

Thinking aloud, would it be possible to make an Alpha setup with a main keygroup shaped like a Tau keyboard, and maybe use the first 8 percussion keys like the round switches. Then a Tau player could load the setup and convert it for use on a tau by deleting the main keygroup and substituting the tau keyboard agent? I suppose the physical key numbers would all be out of synch?

Could the Alpha be setup in Tau emulation mode, say by using a tau keyboard agent (thus making tau setups playable on both Alpha and Tau with no modifications?)

Are there particular instruments like the clarinet you want to play with the fingerer, or do you want the option of the fingerer on all the instruments? I can add the fingerer option for just the clarinet as another instrument slot that you would select from the keygroup mode key, that way you could play around with it and see what it's like at least. Adding it throughout the setup is a lot of work.

Do you play Alpha, Tau or Pico?