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I've been studying the Factory Pico setup in 2.48e. Have looked through the Scale Talker, Global Scale Taker and Scale Manager 1 agents. Have looked at the key actions Belcanto phrases.

I see variables 'scalev1', 'scalev2', etc. and deduced that these hold the scale names that the talker scripts are using the change scales. Is that correct?

It seems that the 8 scales used might be a default set of scales that are associated with those variables and that those might be hard-coded into the system. Is that correct?

Does anyone have a sample of a set of talker scripts (I assume that scripts in all 3 agents listed above must be used)? I'm really interested in using some of the scales that are not in the standard 8, so would appreciate seeing how one might access other scales.

TIA

Randy

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[Bolen Pierce Just]
; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohlen%E2%80%93Pierce_scale
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intervals=0 1.33 3.02 4.35 5.85 7.37 8.84 10.18 11.65 13.19 14.67 16 17.69 19.02

[Bolen Pierce Equal]
; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohlen%E2%80%93Pierce_scale
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intervals=0 1..46 2.93 4.39 5.85 7.32 8.78 10.24 11.70 13.17 14.63 16.09 17.56 19.02

Here are the factory scales:

init_values=(
('natural major', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('ionian', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('major', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('chromatic', [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12]) ,
('spanish 8 tone', [0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('flamenco', [0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('symmetrical', [0, 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('inverted diminished', [0, 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('diminished', [0, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('whole tone', [0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('augmented', [0, 3, 4, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('3 semitone', [0, 3, 6, 9, 12]) ,
('4 semitone', [0, 4, 8, 12]) ,
('locrian ultra', [0, 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12]) ,
('locrian super', [0, 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('indian', [0, 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('locrian', [0, 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('phrygian', [0, 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('neapolitan minor', [0, 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('javanese', [0, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('neapolitan major', [0, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('todi', [0, 1, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('persian', [0, 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('oriental', [0, 1, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('phrygian major', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('spanish', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('jewish', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('double harmonic', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('gypsy', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('byzantine', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('chahargah', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('marva', [0, 1, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('enigmatic', [0, 1, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12]) ,
('locrian natural', [0, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('natural minor', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('minor', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('melodic minor', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('aeolian', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('algerian 2', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('hungarian minor', [0, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('algerian', [0, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('algerian 1', [0, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('harmonic minor', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('mohammedan', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('dorian', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('hungarian gypsy', [0, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12]),
('romanian', [0, 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('locrian major', [0, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('arabian', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('hindu', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('ethiopian', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('mixolydian', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('mixolydian augmented', [0, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('harmonic major', [0, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('lydian minor', [0, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('lydian dominant', [0, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('overtone', [0, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('lydian', [0, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12]) ,
('lydian augmented', [0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('leading whole tone', [0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12]) ,
('blues', [0, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12]),
('hungarian major', [0, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12]) ,
('pb', [0, 1, 3, 6, 8, 12]) ,
('balinese', [0, 1, 3, 7, 8, 12]) ,
('pe', [0, 1, 3, 7, 8, 12]) ,
('pelog', [0, 1, 3, 7, 10, 12]) ,
('iwato', [0, 1, 5, 6, 10, 12]) ,
('japanese', [0, 1, 5, 7, 8, 12]) ,
('kumoi', [0, 1, 5, 7, 8, 12]) ,
('hirajoshi', [0, 2, 3, 7, 8, 12]) ,
('pa', [0, 2, 3, 7, 8, 12]) ,
('pd', [0, 2, 3, 7, 9, 12]) ,
('pentatonic major', [0, 2, 4, 7, 9, 12]) ,
('chinese', [0, 2, 4, 7, 9, 12]) ,
('chinese 1', [0, 2, 4, 7, 9, 12]) ,
('mongolian', [0, 2, 4, 7, 9, 12]) ,
('pfcg', [0, 2, 4, 7, 9, 12]) ,
('egyptian', [0, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12]) ,
('pentatonic minor', [0, 3, 5, 7, 10, 12]) ,
('chinese 2', [0, 4, 6, 7, 11, 12]) ,
('altered', [0, 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12]) ,
('bebop dominant', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12]) ,
('bebop dominant flatnine', [0, 1, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12]),
('bebop major', [0, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12]),
('bebop minor', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 ]),
('bebop tonic minor', [0, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12 ]),
('monotone', [0]),

I think (?) you might be able to load them by name (ie: put the name in the talker)

But seriously, why not just load them and save a setup unless you want to make more than 8?

More tutorials, step by step... are needed...

The last addition can help?:

"Added new 'identify' verb. Use this in commander to explore the system and test out parts of belcanto sentences. For example:
all talker identify
will show the results of 'all talker'

Hi CarvinCode,

Maybe this Workbench screenshot from a custom setup of mine will help: http://www.eigenzone.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/workbench_scale_talker.png

It sets up 4 scales that I can switch between using a talker. The keygroup in which I change the scales with this is named 'keygroup 2'.

The Belcanto phrases for the talker keys are:

keygroup 2 hey scale to major set

scale talker 2 hey 1 to 1 from 2 colour ify



keygroup 2 hey scale to harmonic minor set

scale talker 2 hey 2 to 1 from 2 colour ify



keygroup 2 hey scale to melodic minor set

scale talker 2 hey 3 to 1 from 2 colour ify



keygroup 2 hey scale to chromatic set

scale talker 2 hey 4 to 1 from 2 colour ify

OK... looking at things a bit more... I think I see the purpose of creating an additional keygroup for scale. It holds the mode key to activate the grouping of keys that will produce the scale change thru the talker actions.

Light bulb! (I hope)

Usually if an action in a talker doesn't 'stick', it's because running that phrase generates an error in the interpreter. This could be becuase of a typo, or because one of the agents you are addressing returns an error of some sort. Try opening up the eigencommander and running the phrase by hand, then see what response you get?